和VO的老师以及未来VO的交谈
标 题: 和VO的老师以及未来VO的交谈(zz)6EiY U)g%T3qa L?W发信站: 海阔天空 (Sun May 16 02:40:29 2004) WWW-POST
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发信人: kzeng (【贰千难民】之kzeng), 信区: Visa
标 题: 和VO的老师以及未来VO的交谈：P★
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu Jun 27 00:14:04 2002)3\W%I7e9`
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今天去给一个即将回国的外教饯行，在他家碰到了他的一个朋友Geogetown大学外交学院的 k%u-e [}3`_+o
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华使馆工作）。席间，我理所当然的问到了关于签证的问题，实录如下：.OG6p:X3Uev&J
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P: Like your professors, I tell guys how to be diplomats.
M:Really? So do you train VOs?
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M: Diplomats who intervew visa applicants
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P: Sure. We have such courses in our school.
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M: High salary and social status?
P: Do you really believe a senior research fellow in Political Science can get$m e3ga @\
as much salary as a senior diplomat? Do you really believe a senior research
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fellow in Political Science can get as high reputation as a senior diplomat? I
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d have returned to Harvard. Haha....Tell me why you want to the US?
M: Study of course.
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P: I wanna know the real reason. Why study at the US instead of being a diplom
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P: Ok,please tell your mind. _3E1Cg)m_6e
M: Well, you see, if I come to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs now, I am at th
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P: Why not pursue such a degree in China?
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M: You see, my major is International Relations. To study in a foreign country
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M: US has the most advanced study in the field of IR.!]D P%a-yH+@+uk8[
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P: So you want to have a higher degree in the US and back to China to be an ex
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P: So why don't you tell the VO this instead of being a researcher? Why you chTn't xQ T9}ni
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M: But some VOs are not patient enough.
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M: How do they now?
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he applicant's intent from some simple questions, such as how many schools yo
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M: Really? How do you know the right answer?2u6M#Z u q d
D: Ha.. we have a handbook so during the interview, we can consult it, Haaaaaa 和VO的老师以及未来VO的交谈(下） 4@#ao"xQa
发信人: kzeng (【贰千难民】之kzeng), 信区: Visa 2wcKMQ|#} T7E
标 题: 和VO的老师以及未来VO的交谈：P★
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Fri Jun 28 01:48:59 2002)4GR J;y8y"F^
昨天贴出了谈话的实录，下面是下文，可能会比较混乱，但是还是希望给大家些帮助。O z c,Gz*X
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D: Let me correct you. Do not call them VO. Call them CO, consular officials.0V;vYvC R} Ho
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M: fine. Could you tell me the relations between the number of schools one app6mKhC9}
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D: Not only the number but the schools themselves aslo matters.
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M:Could you explain it for me?
D: It is very simple. Almost all the students' reason to study in the US is A
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merica's advanced technology and research.facilities. If so, they should apply[I h L iT
for the schools above the standards of China's domestic ones.
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M: But how do COs know which school is above the standard, which is below?
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tain field. It is his responsibilty to correct COs wrong perception. If he did
not, it is not COs' fault.&mt3Rs*[#]
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中途被打断，外教介绍他同学送给他的一幅画（估计是那个人找他写推荐信时送他的，一TrH*W7x9Y ue V3H.?
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看就知道是拙劣的赝品，外教还喜滋滋的） 然后外教开始侃他的旅行。我也不好再问。只,Bt1DJ/N'R-zI |!p
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好聊些无聊的话题。但是穿插着有些有用的东西。9F [-} CmuF[1SEe
老教授提到中国学生费很大的力气去考GT却不知道很好得在visa interview的时候包装自4@cFn0A%v
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己，VO每天签那么多的人，多无聊啊，你必须设法吸引他，让他情愿给你谈话。
还说到他们学校今年收的外籍的faculty差不多被中国人占完了，看来以后他们只好到中国 e%ZH$[R,} qst D%x
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教书了。
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还提到了每个学校都有一个标志还是什么东西，那个单词我不知道，但是他告诉我Northwx(sJ6dG
estern的是wildcat（野猫？）
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还提到了VO的轮换制度，只是提了一下，不是很仔细。*}1c0tx H
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再想到什么再写吧：） 好文章！！ 好文~顶~！！！ 很好的文章}? D]\M4w Jf/RS7Q3{
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g 不顶白不顶：） ding 收获很多 谢谢哦 原来CO还学心理学呀！！！ 好帖啊～～ 真的很好的一篇文章！给了我很多的启示！
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谢谢楼主！ 很有意义，但是要包装自己很难。
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一边看一边想自己慢点该怎么回答~~谢谢 受益非浅啊。。。顶 谢谢 LZ~ 好帖啊 That's great and helpful! 谢谢LZ:-) Every special and also very useful. 确实给人很大启示，在此谢过lz文中关于which school and standards的问题应该解决了很多人关于选校，排名差的疑虑
签友们所要做的就是persuade COs why you must go to US and how to explain to them你去美国读书的必要性
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其他问题，比如回国计划，资金拉，都可以类推了，就像斑竹天使守护神一直跟我们强调的[color=Red][font=黑体]整体规划，设计的逻辑性，合理性[/font][/color]
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嗯，看了一些帖子，总算领悟了一点，6月签，还需要认真准备，祝自己1k顺利！
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[quote]原帖由 [i]xmdxx1182[/i] 于 2004-5-17 12:59 发表B/_T2g wN L
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for the schools above the standards of China's domestic ones.'HKq.Nd&GO~
... [/quote] 那个单词是 M A S C O T!~
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good!!!!!!!! 恶意灌水，楼上请注意！ 受益匪浅l#_l?S+` Y.J Y好好准备，祝自己1000顺利通过
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从中也可看出VO的阴险…… ding ::z1 ::z1 ::z1 D: It is very simple. Almost all the students' reason to study in the US is America's advanced technology and research.facilities. If so, they should apply for the schools above the standards of China's domestic ones.8aH/r `2^)OI
M: Then if a student wants to go to an ordinary school, it is very difficult f!
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这段很受用 分享拉 we have a handbook so during the interview, we can consult it, Haaaaaa Bv"tY E\V9M1y
什么意思 难道他们清楚你申请了几个学校???? mark一下 好文章~~值得读 我看过的关于签证的最好的文章之一！有个问题请问楼主：你的意思是VO可以查到我们申请了多少所学校，申请了哪些学校吗？ 查不到 顶，非常好 好贴，深受启发，留美动机和归国计划， 我也是学IR的，看了后很有启发，顶了！11::31
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