Friends is so funny
It really a perfect tv show to learn oral and listening English.So amazing:)g7Nmn/t-]Kj"qI like their life style and appreciate all the guys especially Chanler ...
ohohoh,damn it! I want to use vocabulary well!! I never could understand what people found appealing about that show. It's probably good enough for study, but I would expect there to be plenty of other shows which aren't as mindless or tasteless. Just watch out with their vocabulary; from time to time they make up their own words.E.bOqrl#s-J4j
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Can you get any of the long-running daily soap operas? They're incessantly mindless but at least have some sense of tastefulness. At least, I would rather have my culture judged through soap operas than through "Friends". Friends is ok ,rather than mindless .help me most in my sdudy . That's a classic soap opra.
Sooooooo classic~~ in my opinion, friends is ok...
it's good at my oral English,now I will watch it evryday though I don't like its content... [quote]原帖由 [i]lincoln_8513[/i] 于 2007-1-7 15:58 发表
That's a classic soap opra.
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That statement is insulting to true classical works.
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I wonder what will make the list of true classic soap opra list in your opinion::z1回复 #7 PigHead3 的帖子
Well, first I should point out that "Friends" would not be considered a soap opera. It would be classified as a sitcom (situation comedy). A soap opera is characterized by sensational drama and a large cast of recurring characters, and it usually follows those characters throughout their lifetimes. On some of the older soaps, for example, characters have grown up and become parents, then grandparents. I once heard the genre described as "emotional pornography", and I think that describes soap operas perfectly.Now for sitcoms, I would argue that they are antithetical to the concept of a classic. A classic is something worth remembering after 10 years, 50 years, 100 years, etc. Sitcoms are created knowing full well that they only have a few years at most, and deal with events particular to that time frame. Being highly interwoven with pop culture, they don't age well. Outside of nostalgia channels, I can only think of a few sitcoms from previous generations which get any TV time, such as "I Love Lucy" or "Cheers" or "Full House" or "Happy Days", and others I can't think of immediately (I don't watch much TV, and of that English-language TV is the minority...). Those would probably be considered the "classic" American sitcoms, but still they are far short of being worthy of the same title as the classics of literature, or even the classics of film.3A Iqi%c+h x
In short, for some work to be classic it must have some artistic content, and just by the means by which television production works, sitcoms are practically limited to be devoid of such.e1s%f1E {wWC
Now for exemplary sitcoms, I don't really know what to suggest. I recall a quote I heard once, "Sitcoms are the lowest form of entertainment." I believed that until the advent of reality TV. From the "family values" variety, "Home Improvement" would be presentable. There's "Malcolm in the Middle" for the not-so-common "dysfunctional family values" type. I can't really think of anything else I would call better-than-mediocre. Also, perhaps I should say in case it's not clear that I'm not arguing for or against any particular show here, I'm trying to say that it should be put into proper perspective. Different people have different opinions and like different things; I respect that and am not trying to say that mine are any more valid than anyone else's. My gripe comes from knowing the culture and pop culture behind a show like "Friends" and thinking that it makes a very poor representative. Otherwise, there would be no disclaimer to it.
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wow...i uesed to think 10 years is pretty ...never know those grandprents characters... pretty long i mean,dTmi6mv^ m1b G ?3W&j_ Q3Vg
and yea , when i first watched this show i like it too about 3 or 4 years ago...and i think season 5-7 may be the best parts of the show, since previous seasons are kinda out of date and seasons after that make me feel like: nothing special, nothing more....and i guess that's why they have to end this show It is going to Season 8 now~~~~l)Xf+? ^ Z_%X.{Y
Monica&Chanler's marriage is considered as the most classical one in history:)I really appreciated their friendship ,it seems that they always so considerate..wow"]"kB o R B#x!U*]
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Btw, I didn't realize that American society is so open on sex until I watched this tv show. yes,it's so so so funny.but it's over three years.i will be missing the six guys.
回复 #10 anohi 的帖子
I remember a few years back when some of the soaps were celebrating their 30th anniversaries. They'll probably be on TV for as long as TV is broadcast... They're intended to run for a long time, though. Most shows only last a couple years at most before TV executives decide that they don't produce enough ad revenue and cut them.回复 #12 Nashly 的帖子
I think it should be noted that to an American audience there is nothing particularly special about their friendship. Friendships in European-based colonies at least work like that, albeit "Friends" portrays many things exaggeratedly (such is the nature of sitcom "humour").mG'Jg,uC
As for the subject of sex, it is quite open in America. The only people I can think of who are strongly opposed to having it that way are followers of some authoritarian religions. Like I said, "Friends" is a bit tacky about it, and I certainly would not choose it as a representative.
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I look in another way... it seems to me that everybody in "Friends" has had an affair with everybody else, excepte Monica and Ross, cuz they are bro. and sis.F{9\9o jq pZ,Hmaybe they writer do this for ...try to fulfill the audience imagination i guess
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but in real life won't it is a little bit odd ... to have sex with very close friend ? [quote]原帖由 [i]maebus[/i] 于 2007-1-9 02:24 发表.m8X\ N`4^D'X
I think it should be noted that to an American audience there is nothing particularly special about their friendship. Friendships in European-based colonies at least work like that, albeit " ... [/quote]
In my opinion ,Friends should first be considered as for entertainment ,as we do on other tv shows,but the real life is of course much different .However,since we are in home country, there is no other better way to realize other countries but to watch some tv shows or visit their web .These impressions aren't based on the real experience and then lead to some mistakes.It is forgivable.
So I would never to doubt the gut of the tv shows based on what I said above. } l%z7L.j4_$@z-d
You see,their friendship is so pure.They will not disguise things and never do things which will really hurt their friends.They stay together most of the time,which much more than with their families.It is in some sense friendship occupied their life ,sharing their joyness and sadness with each other.They are not relatives but much more important than relatives.And ,which I should say ,that is my ideal on friendship.M#|.]s t!_n
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I should say ,the tv show of friends teached me so much.Not only on English learning but the attitude of life. [quote]原帖由 [i]anohi[/i] 于 2007-1-9 11:33 发表,T9jY n({r+Gd'f+K
I look in another way... it seems to me that everybody in "Friends" has had an affair with everybody else, excepte Monica and Ross, cuz they are bro. and sis.
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hehe,in my opinon,something will finally happened between a man and a woman unless they are relatives,this works all over the world.That guys in Friends act so open on sex was surprise me so much.However,this only happen before they get married.They obey one rule like "only get along with one guy at one time",but there are many lovers in their whole life.
回复 #17 Nashly 的帖子
I agree, "Friends" would be labelled as entertainment, and TV does provide a large amount of cultural background. How would one know what is real and what is exaggerated? The values presented could be as artificial as the scenarioes. It takes watching many different shows, talking to different people of that culture and much thought to sort it all out. I don't expect that everyone will take the time to go through all that trouble. Instead, I expect a lot of false generalization based on that one show.x8x;O gN`'l,QU
You describe the Western ideal of friendship. There is a great discrepancy between the perception of friendship in China and elsewhere. Most Americans enjoy such friendships and that is the idea the word "friend" evokes. It is to be noted that interpretations of a work differ domestically and internationally; in fact, the sense of purity is overshadowed by faults in its writing. There is a superficiality about it to American audiences which makes it seem impure. To different audiences, the focus is different. I disagree with it because I know how it was intended to be interpreted.
That is not to say that it can not contain valuable lessons. Certainly, what you got from it is valuable, and here, what it was which taught it to you is less important than what was learned. If you were to introduce China to someone, I believe you would start with something respectable and genuine, not with something perceived to be an embarrassment. That is where I am coming from.
回复 #18 Nashly 的帖子
Yea, it's reasonable if a women fall in love with A close friend, but not if with EACH of her male friends! For instance, the charater cast by Jennifer Aniston (forget the name) ...she once imagined hit on by Challer , not mention she broke up and came together with Ross from time to time; and once crushed on Joey...This is nothing with open or not..Compare with Sex&City they are conservative. To me, this kind of polt is to obviouse, i don't trust is. Like whatching a magic, when you know what's behind, you will lose the interest.\*~ |Q.n` ^7N3b
My point is the show is produced to make money...the writers tried to please the audience...and if it is too easy for the audience to realize is it a drama, a show...then they won't intersted anymore .-z v U I!b P3u
Aniston got a problem when she request a guest role on "24" is a prove for that,cuz the producer thought she will take away the "reality" of the show [quote]原帖由 [i]anohi[/i] 于 2007-1-9 22:36 发表My point is the show is produced to make money...the writers tried to please the audience. [/quote]The writers tried to please themselves. That's where most of the bad sex arcs came from. it sounds so goooood..but i just have the mp3..i wanna to c that show...
i just know a little bit english..if can't got it, please exsual me..
回复 #19 maebus 的帖子
come on,,not that huge deal,i thinkWe love it and from which to get some fun ,additional something can be learnt,that's about it.
回复 #20 anohi 的帖子
hehe~~~~sounds funny,but there exists one point that,I think is important,women in Friends didn't fall in love with many guys at one time.You know,when she loves somebody,she will be honest and concentrate on this relationship.If something unfortunate happened,then she will fall in love with others,even her closed friends.I think this is a fine idea,because I think concentration only works when you are together but it is stupid to do so when you already seperate.I can imagine that there are many people in China ,pay infatuation to someone who are already not together any longer.The western guys are well done on this point.Concentrate when together,forget and get another relationship when breakup.So they know how to be happy than we Chinese,I think,and I really appreciate their attitude.回复 #23 Nashly 的帖子
It's certainly not that big of a deal, but it's a pet peeve of mine. On an intellectual level, the show stands for something really detestable about American culture. Who the "we" you speak of consists of is important here; Americans would be cautious of admitting to liking the show because of the stigma associated with it. It seems a bit strange for such a show to receive praise, but different cultures interpret things differently and the domestic culture tends to understand the show better.回复 #25 maebus 的帖子
hehe ,"we" stand for the groups of people who also simple like Friends.::z5 ::z5 ::z2回复 #24 Nashly 的帖子
Come on, aren’t there any other man left besides those “friends”? That’s partly why I think the writers are limited or self-satisfied. As an ordinary TV audience, I wanna something new, creative, exciting, and something different. And it has offered the same menu for 10 years which is quite a long time before tired of it. O"]sc)x1v9}-\+o,z? r$_6`+`Y5Y7\
And I don’t think you could understand a different culture by just watching a show and make the quick conclusion about their attitude toward things e.g. opposite sex relationship, friendship, love and life. What you’ve seen on the screen is story not truth. What would you feel if foreigners think learning Chinese Kong Fu can make them fly as free as birds after watching films like “Hero”?
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Entertainment industry is for money, I remember in one Christmas special episode, Ross taught his son to celebrate the Jewish festival. That looks soooo sweet, seems they care about and respect other culture. But why Jewish? Why not….Muslim or other? My wondering came out an answer when I fund that the powerful producers were mostly Jewish. D8b1n H} td7j%AE
I’m not saying the show is good for nothing, at least it made me laugh. I watched about 7 or 8 seasons of it to kill some time and get some refreshments, but I didn’t expect to know the American culture. [quote]原帖由 [i]Nashly[/i] 于 2007-1-12 12:10 发表_,P8O K,t N
I can imagine that there are many people in China ,pay infatuation to someone who are already not together any longer.. [/quote] ]'O&n D.Bu _hKi
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Actually, seems to me that kind of thing only apears on TV
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What I pointed at was that some guys , who are common in Chinese daily life, but not you or your relateds...回复 #28 anohi 的帖子
What I pointed at was that some guys , as I saw in daily life , but not you or your relateds...[[i] 本帖最后由 Nashly 于 2007-1-12 15:29 编辑 [/i]] [quote]原帖由 [i]Nashly[/i] 于 2007-1-12 15:28 发表
What I pointed at was that some guys , as I saw in daily life , but not you or your relateds... [/quote]
Then I guess that the two different cities where we are liveing should be ascribed! And you said IMAGINE before...that word doesn't sounds solid to me
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