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[F1/F2] (超级tricky长案例)去年在美国被开除加滞留半个月,我还需要二签吗?

winnerB   发表于 2018-1-11 03:59:47 | 显示全部楼层 | 阅读模式 | 跳转到指定楼层
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个人背景:女,本科211的中英合作项目毕业。毕业之后申请了美国某藤校的graduate foundations program. 这个是一个 one-semester的program, 从九月到十二月。上完后到了新一年的一月份,那时我因为没有gre成绩,所以就联系了当地一家比较有名的培训机构,把我的I-20从藤校转去那里上了三个月的gre课程。到四月份的时候因为在学校自习时间不够(培训机构要求学生每周在学校至少呆21小时),当时我的家又比较远,身体也比较不好,所以出勤就悲剧了,被学校teminated 了我的f1, terminated 的那天是4月15日。那时我因为跟房东的一些租房纠纷(房东其实也是二房东,我是sub-tenant, 她让我必须在走之前找到接盘的新房客,否则不给我退租金),身体又过敏,所以折腾到5月15日才回国。 这回我又收到了培训机构 的offer ,不过是去读3个月gmat 课程 ,因为之前gre 没有考出好成绩,这次决定转考gmat.% f$ w) p+ l) S
在面前之前我准备了很多我为什么从gre 考gmat的理由,因为我想申请的一些marketing 项目都是与analytics相关的,所以当时觉得考gre更好一些,而且gre可以用来申almost all kinds of masters, but gmat is only accepted by business schools,选择余地更多。
  ?2 @4 W& O& W* Y6 a今天面签,26号窗口,遇见一个非常不苟言笑的vo. 当时就预感不好。2 i) U' e& r  r7 P. @1 i
Me: Hello, officer. I come here to apply for my student visa. Here is my material.4 d/ F: l1 L6 `+ w' Z
Me(一边递I-20、护照一边继续说):I am going to attend GMAT program atXin xx City. (我I-20 上写的专业是business studies,实际上就是 gmat,但是不知道签证官懂不懂)2 L' K# H! M3 t' e+ w
VO(接过护照,看到我上一次的美国f1签证): Have you been to xxx university? You graduated from xxx university?
4 V% q8 K: B4 f' u# a+ m- [( i6 ume: Yes, I went to America for attending Graduate Foundations program at XXX university in September 2016.(这里**了,我应该跟他说我本科是在英国毕业的,在美国藤校的那个只是non-degree program)7 P# m: G" E2 Q# n! c6 T% I+ R
VO:How about the program?0 i% O) r  ~$ d! ~% w1 u; X% g
Me: This program is one-semester long and allows students to custome-design their own curriculum at a world-class university. I want to do my master in America.- k; y6 w# ^4 N: N! f; K  d
VO:Could you show me your transcript at XXX University? (没太听清,是让我提交我从那所藤校Graduate Foundations program结业的一个证明)( S4 b2 c7 s6 ~1 G
Me (有点慌张,找了资料袋): Sorry I forgot to bring it. This is a c**ificate program and you need to order your transcript online. It will cost a long time to delivery my transcript from America to China. I have the student card, do you want to see it?
/ a6 g( K! W- y; h: k# fVO(摆手,说不用,继续看电脑,打字,然后发现我在美国的overstayed记录,面露难色): You have been overstayed ? what happened?
) _. t. h# S1 i8 UMe: Yes, I am so sorry and regretful. I have been overstayed for around half month. My F1 visa was out of status around on 04/15/2016 because I failed to maintain my attendance records. At that time I attended and finished all my GRE classes but did not spend enough self-studying time at school as required. The school requires each student to spend at least 2 hours per week at the self-studying room. In addition, at that time my apartment was far away from school and I was in poor health. I got a weird allergy and the allergy recurred several times … I preferred to study at home in stead of at school. I did not know self-studying would affect my attendance seriously……i really made a big mistake regarding my attendance……' {* U" p3 X5 Y9 ~+ p* G( [6 g) I
VO(打断了我的对话,键盘打字):You were in poor health at that time, why did you come back to China?% y+ V" X3 L/ _; \, j
Me(语塞): Because it was just allergy... I thought I could get over it at that time.
9 B* \1 O& ~7 l. a0 ~VO: You finished your classes? Do you have any completion c**ificate?
9 s+ G5 \  L3 j; O6 u; a% f5 B(他可能不太了解那是个培训课程,并没有啥结业证书)
7 L3 {; V  r; t9 tMe(语塞):It was a test training education. I did poorly in my GRE test so I cancelled my score… gre is accepted by almost all kinds of master programs but gmat is only accepted by business school so at that time I chose to take gre instead of gamt courses. My dream graduate programs include maketing intelligence at xxx university/ marketing analytic at xxx university/ intergrated makerking at xxx university. Some of these program focus on marketing data analytics and have detailed prerequisites such as statistical ….0 i4 k0 x! T1 p4 d
(再次被打断。我的回答开始前言不搭后语,文不对题。其实原来我想在回答中插入为什么去年我学gre,而今年我又决定转去学gmat,之前想好的原因是:1. 我所想要申请的研究生项目需要一些大数据和统计背景,所以去年我认为在gmat和gre都被学校接受的情况下,gre would be more welcome than gmat,而且gre能够申请更多额外的保底项目; 2.但我结束去年在培训机构的课程后,我发现我低估了gre的难度,我的思维模式不善于记忆, 而gre恰恰是一门需要记忆海量单词才能考好的试,gmat only test your ability to solve problems step by step in the business context using your strong critical reasoning, 后者更适合我的思维模式;第三,今年在我写信询问了招生办后,招生办的人在邮件中直接否认了gre 成绩优于gmat成绩的说法, 所以今年我打算 switch to gmat program,从头再战。
* f# h  {+ p9 l2 X, r) ]遗憾的是,VO似乎并没有听清我的回复, 也并没有听完,就把我打断了。
( I* Z/ s! k6 S) V" Z; hVO(打断后继续问): How long have you stayed in America last time?; W0 y1 W! j* t6 [; W
Me: 8 months. I transferred my I-20 from xxx university toXinternational school in mid January last year. My F1 visa was out of status on 04/15/2016……" J% z6 a* {3 O% J/ B1 P
(我当时是不是应该说transferred my sevis number, 因为I-20 还是那张旧的)) W; z# i9 ^& h& w2 G
VO(打断): What happened? You were kicked off from school?& w5 I# t3 l# ?. X
Me(接着说): my f1 visa was terminated. I did not meet the requirement of self-studying time at school. The school asks each student to spend at least 21 hours at school per week. At that time the school official told me I only had 15 days to pack up and leave the country. After the conversation with the official, I had a severe allergy again and had a leasing dispute with my landlord. My landlord asked that me to find a new tenant before moving out and returning back to China. If I can not find a new tenant, she would not return my deposit of 4000 dollars. All of these thing resulted in my late leave. I am so sorry for that. I really learned a lesson from the results due to my lack of planning. I would like to cherish the chance 培训机构 give me again and try my best to correct my previous mistakes this time.
- w4 t2 d6 Z4 Z; d2 b8 l& KVO: how can you promise you will not misuse your next visa?
+ q- f0 _5 X9 Q( |Me: I will move to apartment which is very near school so I can walk to school every day……
* I- R# l+ L3 `% i# M5 r( OVO:(打断我,之后说了几句话,当时太紧张我没听清)
# M* C, `( w+ S% ^7 _% P6 g1 gMe: (出于心虚继续说): I am so sorry that I have been overstayed there for half month.! b9 C- Z# J3 b7 {' m7 U, H0 ^
VO(打字,递出护照): Sorry I can not approve your visa this time.
! f7 d# }4 \( }0 }4 v( MMe: Could you consider my case again?
) C  t' W3 p0 O2 `( _1 YVO 摇头说no.2 F, d. x9 m9 ]6 i- ]9 S2 ?
Me: thank you all the same.  }4 S8 C2 N- R
整个过程签证官一直很严肃,跟我要过两次文件,一个是Graduate Foundations program at XXX university 的结业证明(那个结业证明我要自己上网order, 我考试成绩不好,那学期上的四门课的绩点很低,因为当时跟恋人分手,再加上刚到美国身体过敏发烧,倒时差,整个人都情绪颓靡,阴郁得学不了习,那个项目得达到一定的绩点才能拿到这个c**ificate);另一个签证官要的文件是培训机构 培训学校的结业c**ificate,不过这个本来就是一个培训课程,是没有证书的。我怀疑他没有理解我面签时说的“At that time I attended and finished all my GRE classes but did not spend enough self-studying time at school as required”这句话的意思,其实我每星期的课都去了,只是因为在学校的自习时间严重不足,才被学校teminated 了我的I-20.
  Z; X+ {( e6 p& y5 V7 a现在的疑问是:
/ s( @; c8 S  ~1)  需要跟学校要证明吗?能不能请那个university 的人给我开一封“completion letter”的东西,因为如果只是letter的话签证官就看不到我的具体成绩了;再者,需不需要培训机构给我开一份“该生被开除是因为自习时间不够”这样的证明?; R, q' ~$ d# u1 H/ `5 w
2) 我究竟Overstay了多久?我之前一直以为我滞留了半个月。我是4月15 被学校注销i-20的,5月15离境,但是那时侯培训机构那个办公室新来的员工对我说,我还有15天做准备离开美国。是不是她说的“15天“是错的,我这种情况应该是马上就走?如此的话,我的实际滞留时间是30天?
7 m" D+ Z/ Y  V7 f3 R3) 这一次是真的下定学习去到美国要认真学习了,为此之前在健身房好好锻炼了身体,也把过敏治好了,也发邮件跟一些master program的admission committee的人约好了见面,计划在去美国学gmat的几个月内把分数搞定,能有一些跟招生办face to face 的面试机会。我打算这个月再签,请问还有希望吗?, L( P3 F2 w" F1 K" o
我知道我的案例很tricky,希望也比较渺茫。如果有愿意回答和帮助我的朋友我将感激涕零,可以私信我,我想转几百块钱到您的账户表示感谢。再次感谢跪下了!9 t* x) F4 q& K; _# n  l
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能开的材料最好提前弄下有备无患,一般可以呆30~60天、虽然看上去不太乐观但还是峰回路转有希望的再接再厉。
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灰色一分钟 发表于 2018-1-11 12:394 W8 @1 [  J& X. Q' O
能开的材料最好提前弄下有备无患,一般可以呆30~60天、虽然看上去不太乐观但还是峰回路转有希望的再接再厉 ...

5 K, G2 }* N7 A感谢回复。我是被学校开除的,没有grace period,应该不能呆30天吧~7 f9 V9 J7 l# Z& m. W" ^
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