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[F1/F2] (超级tricky长案例)去年在美国被开除加滞留半个月,我还需要二签吗?

winnerB   发表于 2018-1-11 03:59:47 | 显示全部楼层 | 阅读模式 | 跳转到指定楼层
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个人背景:女,本科211的中英合作项目毕业。毕业之后申请了美国某藤校的graduate foundations program. 这个是一个 one-semester的program, 从九月到十二月。上完后到了新一年的一月份,那时我因为没有gre成绩,所以就联系了当地一家比较有名的培训机构,把我的I-20从藤校转去那里上了三个月的gre课程。到四月份的时候因为在学校自习时间不够(培训机构要求学生每周在学校至少呆21小时),当时我的家又比较远,身体也比较不好,所以出勤就悲剧了,被学校teminated 了我的f1, terminated 的那天是4月15日。那时我因为跟房东的一些租房纠纷(房东其实也是二房东,我是sub-tenant, 她让我必须在走之前找到接盘的新房客,否则不给我退租金),身体又过敏,所以折腾到5月15日才回国。 这回我又收到了培训机构 的offer ,不过是去读3个月gmat 课程 ,因为之前gre 没有考出好成绩,这次决定转考gmat.
/ ~8 o& i- `+ g* o$ j8 \在面前之前我准备了很多我为什么从gre 考gmat的理由,因为我想申请的一些marketing 项目都是与analytics相关的,所以当时觉得考gre更好一些,而且gre可以用来申almost all kinds of masters, but gmat is only accepted by business schools,选择余地更多。
( N% B8 c, v- C今天面签,26号窗口,遇见一个非常不苟言笑的vo. 当时就预感不好。
# C4 S& l, W3 hMe: Hello, officer. I come here to apply for my student visa. Here is my material.
7 M% f+ D; ]+ P  EMe(一边递I-20、护照一边继续说):I am going to attend GMAT program atXin xx City. (我I-20 上写的专业是business studies,实际上就是 gmat,但是不知道签证官懂不懂)
, @% {) K' a( t" U+ Z$ @VO(接过护照,看到我上一次的美国f1签证): Have you been to xxx university? You graduated from xxx university?
' D6 y  l% C" G3 ]' q0 |/ u/ A; fme: Yes, I went to America for attending Graduate Foundations program at XXX university in September 2016.(这里**了,我应该跟他说我本科是在英国毕业的,在美国藤校的那个只是non-degree program)* h' p0 M( D: z9 i) E2 q
VO:How about the program?
0 I' |& F! n, L9 q3 p& R5 L% V- MMe: This program is one-semester long and allows students to custome-design their own curriculum at a world-class university. I want to do my master in America.
6 S0 _1 }6 Y; g$ n* k/ C6 wVO:Could you show me your transcript at XXX University? (没太听清,是让我提交我从那所藤校Graduate Foundations program结业的一个证明)# w6 K9 M! q6 u6 D, t: |
Me (有点慌张,找了资料袋): Sorry I forgot to bring it. This is a c**ificate program and you need to order your transcript online. It will cost a long time to delivery my transcript from America to China. I have the student card, do you want to see it?
! O$ p  a/ {( q' y+ I2 `5 EVO(摆手,说不用,继续看电脑,打字,然后发现我在美国的overstayed记录,面露难色): You have been overstayed ? what happened?9 O. o" t6 [! _5 `* [$ q
Me: Yes, I am so sorry and regretful. I have been overstayed for around half month. My F1 visa was out of status around on 04/15/2016 because I failed to maintain my attendance records. At that time I attended and finished all my GRE classes but did not spend enough self-studying time at school as required. The school requires each student to spend at least 2 hours per week at the self-studying room. In addition, at that time my apartment was far away from school and I was in poor health. I got a weird allergy and the allergy recurred several times … I preferred to study at home in stead of at school. I did not know self-studying would affect my attendance seriously……i really made a big mistake regarding my attendance……
5 H1 k; @8 _. a  {# ]7 }/ ]VO(打断了我的对话,键盘打字):You were in poor health at that time, why did you come back to China?
3 v' }( ]  f. `Me(语塞): Because it was just allergy... I thought I could get over it at that time.4 T+ h' N7 _2 y" o" I
VO: You finished your classes? Do you have any completion c**ificate?
* ~. l6 i, X* M/ C6 V! j(他可能不太了解那是个培训课程,并没有啥结业证书)/ B$ i( a" C+ w$ V" f
Me(语塞):It was a test training education. I did poorly in my GRE test so I cancelled my score… gre is accepted by almost all kinds of master programs but gmat is only accepted by business school so at that time I chose to take gre instead of gamt courses. My dream graduate programs include maketing intelligence at xxx university/ marketing analytic at xxx university/ intergrated makerking at xxx university. Some of these program focus on marketing data analytics and have detailed prerequisites such as statistical ….
& p6 F& _% x# C7 u5 C(再次被打断。我的回答开始前言不搭后语,文不对题。其实原来我想在回答中插入为什么去年我学gre,而今年我又决定转去学gmat,之前想好的原因是:1. 我所想要申请的研究生项目需要一些大数据和统计背景,所以去年我认为在gmat和gre都被学校接受的情况下,gre would be more welcome than gmat,而且gre能够申请更多额外的保底项目; 2.但我结束去年在培训机构的课程后,我发现我低估了gre的难度,我的思维模式不善于记忆, 而gre恰恰是一门需要记忆海量单词才能考好的试,gmat only test your ability to solve problems step by step in the business context using your strong critical reasoning, 后者更适合我的思维模式;第三,今年在我写信询问了招生办后,招生办的人在邮件中直接否认了gre 成绩优于gmat成绩的说法, 所以今年我打算 switch to gmat program,从头再战。
5 b: x3 _. F8 J1 q7 Q4 X! \' _遗憾的是,VO似乎并没有听清我的回复, 也并没有听完,就把我打断了。; w% v, `9 ?' I8 |' t$ z
VO(打断后继续问): How long have you stayed in America last time?
" {! K2 _/ C8 r+ ]: jMe: 8 months. I transferred my I-20 from xxx university toXinternational school in mid January last year. My F1 visa was out of status on 04/15/2016……( R2 l) X9 H; F2 v0 E8 }
(我当时是不是应该说transferred my sevis number, 因为I-20 还是那张旧的)
) Y9 `# s7 k: F$ gVO(打断): What happened? You were kicked off from school?
  {) Z2 M- ?& Y* k! H* ^Me(接着说): my f1 visa was terminated. I did not meet the requirement of self-studying time at school. The school asks each student to spend at least 21 hours at school per week. At that time the school official told me I only had 15 days to pack up and leave the country. After the conversation with the official, I had a severe allergy again and had a leasing dispute with my landlord. My landlord asked that me to find a new tenant before moving out and returning back to China. If I can not find a new tenant, she would not return my deposit of 4000 dollars. All of these thing resulted in my late leave. I am so sorry for that. I really learned a lesson from the results due to my lack of planning. I would like to cherish the chance 培训机构 give me again and try my best to correct my previous mistakes this time.
% z4 M% m$ G" r+ LVO: how can you promise you will not misuse your next visa?
# }: L! ]8 \3 |* J7 wMe: I will move to apartment which is very near school so I can walk to school every day……
( z% f; D/ [( s. oVO:(打断我,之后说了几句话,当时太紧张我没听清)8 w# p7 P6 z( I# p( i0 m0 e
Me: (出于心虚继续说): I am so sorry that I have been overstayed there for half month.& P3 C* i# Q3 p2 T/ n5 N7 ^
VO(打字,递出护照): Sorry I can not approve your visa this time.$ @' g" Q* W/ q3 R6 o6 ^) v! |( u
Me: Could you consider my case again?/ A. S6 p7 }- d- g/ I" q
VO 摇头说no.: @' }0 f/ [4 O
Me: thank you all the same.' G( P, i# r* h: g4 w# ?: G
整个过程签证官一直很严肃,跟我要过两次文件,一个是Graduate Foundations program at XXX university 的结业证明(那个结业证明我要自己上网order, 我考试成绩不好,那学期上的四门课的绩点很低,因为当时跟恋人分手,再加上刚到美国身体过敏发烧,倒时差,整个人都情绪颓靡,阴郁得学不了习,那个项目得达到一定的绩点才能拿到这个c**ificate);另一个签证官要的文件是培训机构 培训学校的结业c**ificate,不过这个本来就是一个培训课程,是没有证书的。我怀疑他没有理解我面签时说的“At that time I attended and finished all my GRE classes but did not spend enough self-studying time at school as required”这句话的意思,其实我每星期的课都去了,只是因为在学校的自习时间严重不足,才被学校teminated 了我的I-20.4 J2 q+ Z% q$ p3 e  p
现在的疑问是:
4 L- c3 k5 D$ I1)  需要跟学校要证明吗?能不能请那个university 的人给我开一封“completion letter”的东西,因为如果只是letter的话签证官就看不到我的具体成绩了;再者,需不需要培训机构给我开一份“该生被开除是因为自习时间不够”这样的证明?) C) q7 G# a2 X* h8 `) K
2) 我究竟Overstay了多久?我之前一直以为我滞留了半个月。我是4月15 被学校注销i-20的,5月15离境,但是那时侯培训机构那个办公室新来的员工对我说,我还有15天做准备离开美国。是不是她说的“15天“是错的,我这种情况应该是马上就走?如此的话,我的实际滞留时间是30天?
. K/ f6 C3 o7 m+ c5 X3) 这一次是真的下定学习去到美国要认真学习了,为此之前在健身房好好锻炼了身体,也把过敏治好了,也发邮件跟一些master program的admission committee的人约好了见面,计划在去美国学gmat的几个月内把分数搞定,能有一些跟招生办face to face 的面试机会。我打算这个月再签,请问还有希望吗?
$ S. M. Y7 X* s6 c+ O0 B- n我知道我的案例很tricky,希望也比较渺茫。如果有愿意回答和帮助我的朋友我将感激涕零,可以私信我,我想转几百块钱到您的账户表示感谢。再次感谢跪下了!2 \) B2 N+ F& V8 [- ]/ ^5 j9 D
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能开的材料最好提前弄下有备无患,一般可以呆30~60天、虽然看上去不太乐观但还是峰回路转有希望的再接再厉。
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灰色一分钟 发表于 2018-1-11 12:39/ m& c8 U. _4 c$ k
能开的材料最好提前弄下有备无患,一般可以呆30~60天、虽然看上去不太乐观但还是峰回路转有希望的再接再厉 ...
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感谢回复。我是被学校开除的,没有grace period,应该不能呆30天吧~
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