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[F1/F2] (超级tricky长案例)去年在美国被开除加滞留半个月,我还需要二签吗?

winnerB   发表于 2018-1-11 03:59:47 | 显示全部楼层 | 阅读模式 | 跳转到指定楼层
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个人背景:女,本科211的中英合作项目毕业。毕业之后申请了美国某藤校的graduate foundations program. 这个是一个 one-semester的program, 从九月到十二月。上完后到了新一年的一月份,那时我因为没有gre成绩,所以就联系了当地一家比较有名的培训机构,把我的I-20从藤校转去那里上了三个月的gre课程。到四月份的时候因为在学校自习时间不够(培训机构要求学生每周在学校至少呆21小时),当时我的家又比较远,身体也比较不好,所以出勤就悲剧了,被学校teminated 了我的f1, terminated 的那天是4月15日。那时我因为跟房东的一些租房纠纷(房东其实也是二房东,我是sub-tenant, 她让我必须在走之前找到接盘的新房客,否则不给我退租金),身体又过敏,所以折腾到5月15日才回国。 这回我又收到了培训机构 的offer ,不过是去读3个月gmat 课程 ,因为之前gre 没有考出好成绩,这次决定转考gmat.
" @9 ^/ u/ ~% c4 w9 d/ m. f6 P在面前之前我准备了很多我为什么从gre 考gmat的理由,因为我想申请的一些marketing 项目都是与analytics相关的,所以当时觉得考gre更好一些,而且gre可以用来申almost all kinds of masters, but gmat is only accepted by business schools,选择余地更多。
9 B! P, O' K2 G; s# b今天面签,26号窗口,遇见一个非常不苟言笑的vo. 当时就预感不好。2 h  q* i* c, n3 Y* ^
Me: Hello, officer. I come here to apply for my student visa. Here is my material.' e" f$ M/ I  M9 [5 d
Me(一边递I-20、护照一边继续说):I am going to attend GMAT program atXin xx City. (我I-20 上写的专业是business studies,实际上就是 gmat,但是不知道签证官懂不懂): w! `; M+ s+ [7 I% I
VO(接过护照,看到我上一次的美国f1签证): Have you been to xxx university? You graduated from xxx university?7 ^; `: n5 _  ?- H$ V1 `
me: Yes, I went to America for attending Graduate Foundations program at XXX university in September 2016.(这里**了,我应该跟他说我本科是在英国毕业的,在美国藤校的那个只是non-degree program): m# _  D5 {/ X4 u5 f, Z9 w+ v
VO:How about the program?0 U: D* \# Q, \( e5 O1 S2 a, {' R
Me: This program is one-semester long and allows students to custome-design their own curriculum at a world-class university. I want to do my master in America.. K: @) t2 r1 I. R8 G
VO:Could you show me your transcript at XXX University? (没太听清,是让我提交我从那所藤校Graduate Foundations program结业的一个证明)
* V. `. |* Y/ u  SMe (有点慌张,找了资料袋): Sorry I forgot to bring it. This is a c**ificate program and you need to order your transcript online. It will cost a long time to delivery my transcript from America to China. I have the student card, do you want to see it?( K/ O/ |( S8 d" x' j
VO(摆手,说不用,继续看电脑,打字,然后发现我在美国的overstayed记录,面露难色): You have been overstayed ? what happened?* W: K" J! ~7 k7 K. U7 v, e. d
Me: Yes, I am so sorry and regretful. I have been overstayed for around half month. My F1 visa was out of status around on 04/15/2016 because I failed to maintain my attendance records. At that time I attended and finished all my GRE classes but did not spend enough self-studying time at school as required. The school requires each student to spend at least 2 hours per week at the self-studying room. In addition, at that time my apartment was far away from school and I was in poor health. I got a weird allergy and the allergy recurred several times … I preferred to study at home in stead of at school. I did not know self-studying would affect my attendance seriously……i really made a big mistake regarding my attendance……. t& Z: o! S: p8 s6 D
VO(打断了我的对话,键盘打字):You were in poor health at that time, why did you come back to China?3 C, N9 L8 R3 @# I5 L
Me(语塞): Because it was just allergy... I thought I could get over it at that time.  \3 z0 P0 y1 p2 U( y0 G3 w
VO: You finished your classes? Do you have any completion c**ificate?4 l: z7 t: i3 X; l! @& |3 h: c
(他可能不太了解那是个培训课程,并没有啥结业证书): {* n4 X3 `  {% `  w3 Q  l
Me(语塞):It was a test training education. I did poorly in my GRE test so I cancelled my score… gre is accepted by almost all kinds of master programs but gmat is only accepted by business school so at that time I chose to take gre instead of gamt courses. My dream graduate programs include maketing intelligence at xxx university/ marketing analytic at xxx university/ intergrated makerking at xxx university. Some of these program focus on marketing data analytics and have detailed prerequisites such as statistical ….
/ t  U) l: y* C5 ^! f" I(再次被打断。我的回答开始前言不搭后语,文不对题。其实原来我想在回答中插入为什么去年我学gre,而今年我又决定转去学gmat,之前想好的原因是:1. 我所想要申请的研究生项目需要一些大数据和统计背景,所以去年我认为在gmat和gre都被学校接受的情况下,gre would be more welcome than gmat,而且gre能够申请更多额外的保底项目; 2.但我结束去年在培训机构的课程后,我发现我低估了gre的难度,我的思维模式不善于记忆, 而gre恰恰是一门需要记忆海量单词才能考好的试,gmat only test your ability to solve problems step by step in the business context using your strong critical reasoning, 后者更适合我的思维模式;第三,今年在我写信询问了招生办后,招生办的人在邮件中直接否认了gre 成绩优于gmat成绩的说法, 所以今年我打算 switch to gmat program,从头再战。$ S- w+ r- C6 d+ a( {; @
遗憾的是,VO似乎并没有听清我的回复, 也并没有听完,就把我打断了。3 R( l  [3 Z8 ^. z: _
VO(打断后继续问): How long have you stayed in America last time?
$ ^, ~2 ~" k/ W+ L0 B- o8 jMe: 8 months. I transferred my I-20 from xxx university toXinternational school in mid January last year. My F1 visa was out of status on 04/15/2016……" p2 \: h* M/ L
(我当时是不是应该说transferred my sevis number, 因为I-20 还是那张旧的)- P3 ?1 w) C/ r" Q; R# a/ ]
VO(打断): What happened? You were kicked off from school?* r( F  C) L8 N" V; [' K. _: N% x5 r
Me(接着说): my f1 visa was terminated. I did not meet the requirement of self-studying time at school. The school asks each student to spend at least 21 hours at school per week. At that time the school official told me I only had 15 days to pack up and leave the country. After the conversation with the official, I had a severe allergy again and had a leasing dispute with my landlord. My landlord asked that me to find a new tenant before moving out and returning back to China. If I can not find a new tenant, she would not return my deposit of 4000 dollars. All of these thing resulted in my late leave. I am so sorry for that. I really learned a lesson from the results due to my lack of planning. I would like to cherish the chance 培训机构 give me again and try my best to correct my previous mistakes this time.
3 M/ s1 D% H) J+ a) t& F1 FVO: how can you promise you will not misuse your next visa?
) @- }  @, K$ O' M$ ~Me: I will move to apartment which is very near school so I can walk to school every day……
3 i5 Q) Z3 \& ]6 CVO:(打断我,之后说了几句话,当时太紧张我没听清)
0 \. B; E8 l" l9 Z+ S2 Z. G* gMe: (出于心虚继续说): I am so sorry that I have been overstayed there for half month.. f. K' o- k! J2 V) _
VO(打字,递出护照): Sorry I can not approve your visa this time.
9 P( {" l$ L3 n' [Me: Could you consider my case again?
# _* s8 @! I# ZVO 摇头说no.4 \1 O( z5 W1 D3 U2 ~
Me: thank you all the same.
. l9 u, k% i" m4 _! k8 a! E$ M' P整个过程签证官一直很严肃,跟我要过两次文件,一个是Graduate Foundations program at XXX university 的结业证明(那个结业证明我要自己上网order, 我考试成绩不好,那学期上的四门课的绩点很低,因为当时跟恋人分手,再加上刚到美国身体过敏发烧,倒时差,整个人都情绪颓靡,阴郁得学不了习,那个项目得达到一定的绩点才能拿到这个c**ificate);另一个签证官要的文件是培训机构 培训学校的结业c**ificate,不过这个本来就是一个培训课程,是没有证书的。我怀疑他没有理解我面签时说的“At that time I attended and finished all my GRE classes but did not spend enough self-studying time at school as required”这句话的意思,其实我每星期的课都去了,只是因为在学校的自习时间严重不足,才被学校teminated 了我的I-20.
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( L. i' H, E9 e$ ]! E1)  需要跟学校要证明吗?能不能请那个university 的人给我开一封“completion letter”的东西,因为如果只是letter的话签证官就看不到我的具体成绩了;再者,需不需要培训机构给我开一份“该生被开除是因为自习时间不够”这样的证明?, J- ?$ b1 r+ ]" @& o, L
2) 我究竟Overstay了多久?我之前一直以为我滞留了半个月。我是4月15 被学校注销i-20的,5月15离境,但是那时侯培训机构那个办公室新来的员工对我说,我还有15天做准备离开美国。是不是她说的“15天“是错的,我这种情况应该是马上就走?如此的话,我的实际滞留时间是30天?
& P+ K4 q  r6 u" K5 M8 R3) 这一次是真的下定学习去到美国要认真学习了,为此之前在健身房好好锻炼了身体,也把过敏治好了,也发邮件跟一些master program的admission committee的人约好了见面,计划在去美国学gmat的几个月内把分数搞定,能有一些跟招生办face to face 的面试机会。我打算这个月再签,请问还有希望吗?
6 Q# M; }1 Q0 y: N) D6 `* Y4 L我知道我的案例很tricky,希望也比较渺茫。如果有愿意回答和帮助我的朋友我将感激涕零,可以私信我,我想转几百块钱到您的账户表示感谢。再次感谢跪下了!
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能开的材料最好提前弄下有备无患,一般可以呆30~60天、虽然看上去不太乐观但还是峰回路转有希望的再接再厉。% K- `$ |4 b4 I) k
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灰色一分钟 发表于 2018-1-11 12:390 [- T* ]1 J" ]  B! _2 p% Z3 E! ?  |
能开的材料最好提前弄下有备无患,一般可以呆30~60天、虽然看上去不太乐观但还是峰回路转有希望的再接再厉 ...
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感谢回复。我是被学校开除的,没有grace period,应该不能呆30天吧~* G( }1 Q6 S5 V4 y) U* [
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